I have seen Cav's proof, and Cav himself said that it didn't prove that God didn't exist. The proof attempted to refute God being omnipotent and omniscient simultaneously using the example of a random event. Cav even told you that, Paul. His proof doesn't hold water. He said that if God is all-powerful, then He can create a random event. He then said that if God is all-knowing, then He knows of the event and therefore it is not random. Cav therefore concluded that God cannot create a random event and therefore God is either not omniscient, not omnipotent, or not omniscient nor omnipotent. Cav was trying to refute certain characteristics of God. No one can prove that God doesn't exist. Here is why Cav's proof doesn't hold water. It sounds very logical, and on the surface looks convincing, but I looked at it and found problems with it. First, random is a human term and definition. If an event is unknown to a person, it is random to that person. Of course an event is not random to God, but it is random to us and therefore satisfies the definition of random as defined by humans. That is the first problem. Cav tried to restrict God to a human definition--randomness. Restricting God like this is like trying to apply the solution set of 12x + 40y + 7z = 777 to 12x + 3243y + 5437z + 4u + 6t + 347r + .....for infinity ...... Restricting God to a human concept of randomness is worse than trying to restrict an infinite polynomial's solution set to a finite polynomial's subset. It is almost foolish for me to even use polynomials as an analogy for this. It won't work. Second, the next problem is that Cav was trying to use an imperfect system to evaluate a perfect being. Yes, math is imperfect. There are holes in math. One is extraneous roots. Another is even more fundamental than that: What is 9 * 1/9? Sometimes it is 1. 1 = 1.00000000 repeating. 1/9 = .11111111111111 repeating. Now what is 9 * 1/9? Now it is .999999999999999 repeating. Now while .9999999999999999 repeating is as close to 1.0000 repeating one can get, the two are not equal. To make .9999999999... equal to 1.00000..... one would have to go to the infinitity-minus-first place after the decimal with zeroes, put a 1 in the infinitieth place and add it to .9999999999... to get 1.00000000000000000000... BUT this is impossible! Yet, still, .999999999999... can't quite reach 1.00000000000... They are not _exactly_ the same. What is 3 * 1/3? It is either 1.0000000000... or .999999999... 3 * .3333333333... = .9999999999... 3/3 = 1.00000000.... (Sometimes) Same problem. What is 6 * 1/6? It is either 1.000000000... or .999999999...(6 in the infinitieth place). Does .9999999999999...6 (in the impossible infiniteth place) equal .9999999999999...9 (in the impossible infinitieth place)? Well, if six and nine don't equal, then one can assume these aren't equal, but at the same time, it is imPossible to evaluate 6/6 equalling 3/3, 7/7, 9/9, or 11/11 in this way. 1.0... <> .9... Same problem. What is 7 * 1/7? It is either 1.000000000... or .9999999999... 7 * .142857142857... = .9999999999999... 7/7 = 1.00000000000000.... (Sometimes) Same Problem. What is 11 * 1/11? Same Problem. et cetera. Restricting God to a human definition and trying to evaluate Perfection with imperfection is foolish and it makes the proof invalid. The proof looks logical at first glance as many deceptions do, but it won't work ....it doesn't work. "There is no wisdom, no insight, no plan that can succeed against the Lord." --Proverbs 21:30 Beacon Deacon