Re: The birth of Yeshua
Date:	97-07-03 02:54:08 EDT
From: heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com
Reply-to: heb_roots_chr@geocities.com 
To: "Hebraic Heritage Newsgroup"<heb_roots_chr@geocities.com> 

From:          Jack Kilmon
To:            heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject:       Re: The birth of Yeshua

heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com wrote:

> From:          Stefan Blad
> To:            "'Hebrew roots'" <heb_roots_chr@mail.geocities.com>
> Subject:       The birth of Yeshua
>
> I am personally convinced that Yeshua placed His tent among us
> during one of  the first days of the feast of the tabernacles, at
> the end of September or beginning of October.

    A very informative post.  I shall archive it.  Conforming to
Stefan's position of the end of September or beginning of October:

 In Prague, in 1603, shortly before Christmas, the astronomer and
mathematician, Johannes Kepler, was making observations of the stars
through his rudimentary telescope.  He was observing the conjunction of
Jupiter and Saturn in the constellation of Pisces.  The two planets had
converged to look like one larger and new "star."  Kepler later
remembered something he had read by the Rabbinical writer, Abravanel
(1437-1508).  Jewish astrologers maintained that when there was a
conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter in Pisces, the Messiah would come.  In
ancient Jewish astrology, the constellation of Pisces was known as the
House of Israel, the sign of the Messiah.  Jupiter was the royal star of
the house of David and Saturn was the protecting star of Israel, the
Messiah's Star  Since the constellation of Pisces was the point in the
heavens where the sun ended it's old course and began its new, it is
understandable why this conjunction would be viewed as a portent of the
Messiah.

In 1925, the German Scholar P. Schnabel found, among the endless
cuneiform records of dates and observations, a note on a conjunction of
Jupiter and Saturn in the constellation of Pisces. The position of
Jupiter and Saturn, converged in Pisces, had been recorded over a period
of five months in 7 B.C.E!!  Calculations show that the conjunction was
observable three times over the course of the year, May 29, OCTOBER 3,
and December 4.

The conjunction in Pisces is observable in the southern sky over Judea
and would sit directly over Bethlehem if one were observing along the
road leading from Jerusalem to Bethlehem.  Matthew 2:2 stating "We have
seen his star in the east" is a mistranslation of the Greek phrase en th
anatolh "in the east" from the original wording which means
idiomatically, "the first light of dawn" (which comes from the east)
when the conjunction is visible.

    I agree with Stefan and take 10 Tishri 3755 as the date of Y'shua's
birth.

Jack Kilmon

From Eddie:
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          Jack,

              Stefan presented that Yeshua was born during 
TABERNACLES (beginning on Tishri 15) NOT on Tishri 10 (which is Yom 
Kippur) as you stated above.  What Stefan presented is given again
below.  I also present the same conclusion in my book, "The Seven 
Festivals of the Messiah" in the chapter dealing with Tabernacles. It 
can be read "on-line" at:

        http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/2175/chap9.html

 >
> I am personally convinced that Yeshua placed His tent among us
> during one of  the first days of the feast of the tabernacles, at
> the end of September or beginning of October            Stefan
>

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From:          Gregory Richardson 
To:            heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
Subject:       Birth of Yeshua

Hey Rooters!

The night of (Tishri 15) October 15th, 1997 is the 2000th anniversary
of the birth of Yeshua to a Jewish virgin.  The decree for a census
went out from Caesar Augustus in 4 BC.  When you add 4 to 1997 and
subtract 1 (because there was no year zero) you get 2000.

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